Stream: general

Topic: DPD Latvijā un Name Suggestion Index


view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 20:28):

NSI ir viens DPD ieraksts ar brand="DPD Pickup Station"
https://nsi.guide/index.html?t=brands&k=amenity&v=parcel_locker&tt=dpd

Bet Latvijā tas noteikti nav "Pickup Station", uz aparātiem rakstīts "Paku skapis".
Ko ar šo darām?

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 20:40):

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Meklējot rezultātus, gudrāks nepaliku. Man liekas tas agrāk bija, bet tad viņi brendingu uztaisīju citu. Bet arī agrāk tas laikam tomēr nebija gluži brends.

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 20:43):

https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/pull/7090

Updated templates with 2 more brands from Poland - based on actual data in OSM database (and my own survey).

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 20:44):

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q114273730

Service of delivering parcels to parcel machines or collection points provided by the DPDgroup operator

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 20:44):

"country Poland" hmmm

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 20:47):

Oi jā, un nepaskatījos nemaz operator.
Ir https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q541030 , jābūt https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q125973085 .

international package delivery company

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 20:48):

Nu principā tur katrai valstij ir jātaisa un jāskatās, kur kā ir... ehhh

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 20:48):

OK, skaidrs, ka jāsplito ārā tikai Latvija noteikti, šobrīd no NSI nāk obvsl nepareizi dati.

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 20:50):

Par to brand - jā, OSM carto saprotamu iemeslu dēļ renderē brand, bet nu te jau prasītos pliks "DPD".
Jo tehniski operators ir DPD, brands ir tikai "Paku skapis"...
Tāpat kā neviens nemeklē "Smartpost" skapjus, visi meklē "Itella" skapjus.

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 20:50):

carto laikam pakomātiem vispirms renderē operator, par brand nemaz neesmu skatījies

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 20:51):

HellMap said:

Nu principā tur katrai valstij ir jātaisa un jāskatās, kur kā ir... ehhh

Nu par citām valstīm var viņiem iebakstīt, pullrequestus lai paši pēta ;)

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 20:52):

Kodā neskatījos, bet šķiet, ka brand :/
NSI ir brand="DPD Pickup Station".
DPD pakomāts

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11926517635

OpenStreetMap is a map of the world, created by people like you and free to use under an open license.

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 20:53):

Hmmmmm

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 20:53):

Principā jau mēs Latvijā varam vienoties par daudz ko. Tai skaitā brand=DPD un official_brand="Paku skapis" :D
Lai gan tas varbūt būtu biš par traku "NSI-ing for the renderer".

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 20:55):

Oh, and @markalex2209 - if you can decypher this topic, this is very much on NSI, which you asked about and expressed interest in improving ;)

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 20:56):

principā laikam jābūt operator=DPD Latvija un brand=DPD - tipa brends kā operē un operators kā entity, bet vai paku skapjiem DPD is speciāls kaut kāds brendings? vai tiešām DPD Paku skapis?

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 20:57):

Es tā saprotu, ka tas Polijas piemērs bija un kastes rakstīts DPD Pickup Station un tāpēc tas paņemts... bet es nez vai tā vajag

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 21:04):

Nu virsū ir "Paku skapis", bet es nekad to nebiju uztvēris kā brendu.
Paku skapis

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 21:05):

Un pats "DPD" nav daļa no tā brenda, tas ir tikai operators/uzņēmums...

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:05):

brand=dpd Paku Skapis Noformē sūtījumu eserviss.lv Ērti nosūti un saņem šeit 24/7 Paku Skapis dpd

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 21:06):

;)

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:07):

Manuprāt "paku skapis" ir vienkārši apraksts nosaukumā kā "Veikals" un to nav ko bāzt brendā. Viņu mājas lapā 20 varianti kā nosaukti tie skapji

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:08):

Un tas ir tā, kā to pazīst visā pasaulē. Un tad konkrēti Latvijā ir DPD Latvija operatorā.

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 21:12):

Precizējot, ko Tu piedāvā likt "brand"?

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:13):

HellMap said:

principā laikam jābūt operator=DPD Latvija un brand=DPD - tipa brends kā operē un operators kā entity

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:13):

Es varbūt nesaprotu, kas tieši tiek mēģināts ar brendu tikt panākts

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:15):

Es saprotu - ja nebūtu "DPD Latvija" - tad būtu operator=DPD un viss. bet tā kā ir operator=DPD Latvija, tad vajag norādīt, kā to pazīst "sarunvalodā" un tāpēc brand=DPD

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 21:15):

Dažreiz - jo īpaši ar frančīzēm - var būt tā, ka brand=Zināmnosaukums, operator='SIA "Maijiņa no Ņurdonas"'.
Veikaliem tā mēdz būt, bet tur var ar "name" parasti izlīdzēties.
Ja sapratu nesaprašanu :)

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:16):

Man liekas es to arī saku, ja sapratu nesaprašanas paskaidrojumu?

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 21:16):

It kā jau to "Paku skapis" gribētos kaut kur arī pieglabāt, jo kādam citam operatoram var būt kaut kas pa vidu "Smartpost" un "Paku skapim".
Bet tas ir bonuss, defaultā pievienojos brand=DPD :)

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:16):

(par SIA gan operator:type pastrīdētos vēlreiz, bet labāk ne ;) )

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:18):

Itellai taču laikam jābūt brand=Smartpost un operator=Itella ? Vai arī es to atkal jaucu. Itella ir firma un Smartpost ir viņu paku distribūcijas tikls.

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:18):

inscription=Paku skapis

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 21:19):

Nu reku mazā aptauja par šo :)
#general > balsošana - kā apzīmēt DPD pakomātus?

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 21:20):

HellMap said:

Itellai taču laikam jābūt brand=Smartpost un operator=Itella ? Vai arī es to atkal jaucu. Itella ir firma un Smartpost ir viņu paku distribūcijas tikls.

Jā, tā jābūt (un daudz kur ir).
Bet man tā šķiet viņu mārketinga kļūda, jo liela daļa klientu ar šiem baigi putrojas.

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:20):

Te gandrīz prasās pēc jauna tega, kas apraksta konkrēta operātora lietoto terminu priekš kaut kāda POI - vieni saka "brīvkrāns", citi "ūdenstruba", utt. Man tas "paku skapis" nevienā esošajā tegā kaut kā nepatīk.

view this post on Zulip markalex2209 (May 22 2024 at 21:22):

Itella is additionally confusing: while we know it as Itella, IIUC it's posti, as in posti.fi
So we'd need to recheck what is actual operator in this case.

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:22):

Tev gan tajā balsošanā gan nav skaidrs, kas ir operator tegā. Jo es brand=DPD neliktu, ja tur jau ir operator=DPD

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:25):

markalex2209 said:

Itella is additionally confusing: while we know it as Itella, IIUC it's posti, as in posti.fi
So we'd need to recheck what is actual operator in this case.

Yeah, AFAIK Itella is part of Posti and "Itella" is the name (brand? oh boy...) they use in certain countries (presumably, because "posti" is not a good word/name to use)

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 22 2024 at 21:28):

I think we specify the most specific operator and not who owns them further up - like we would say operator=Riga Candy and not the owner "European Big Candy Conglomerate"

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 22 2024 at 22:13):

HellMap said:

Tev gan tajā balsošanā gan nav skaidrs, kas ir operator tegā. Jo es brand=DPD neliktu, ja tur jau ir operator=DPD

Domāju, ka nevajag atstāt tukšu, neatkarīgi no operator. Ja atstās tukšu, tur garantēti visādi brīnumi uzpeldēs gan manuālos editos, gan arī NSI vēlāk...

view this post on Zulip markalex2209 (May 25 2024 at 01:42):

I think this will be the most appropriate change: https://github.com/markalex2209/name-suggestion-index/compare/main...rename-DPD-Pickup-Station-into-simply-DPD-in-Latvia
Do you agree?

Canonical common brand names, operators, transit and flags for OpenStreetMap. - Comparing main...rename-DPD-Pickup-Station-into-simply-DPD-in-Latvia · markalex2209/name-suggestion-index

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 25 2024 at 13:39):

Does it not have parcel_mail_in=yes? I'm 85% sure that all the lockers can also "send"

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 25 2024 at 17:00):

Seems good at a quick glance.
As for mail_in, not sure whether 100% of them have it. We could check with DPD or leave it out.

view this post on Zulip HellMap (May 25 2024 at 17:02):

Their website lists collection times per city, but it seems to imply they all can, although it doesn't explicitly say so

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 29 2024 at 13:00):

Piezvanīju DPD, visiem skapjiem Latvijā ir gan saņemšana, gan nosūtīšana - var likt NSI.

view this post on Zulip markalex2209 (May 29 2024 at 14:29):

Kā ar brand un operator? Atstāt kā šeit?

Canonical common brand names, operators, transit and flags for OpenStreetMap. - Comparing main...rename-DPD-Pickup-Station-into-simply-DPD-in-Latvia · markalex2209/name-suggestion-index

view this post on Zulip Rihards Olups (May 29 2024 at 15:52):

Man patīk :)

view this post on Zulip markalex2209 (May 29 2024 at 16:04):

Labi, izdarīšu vakarā vai rīt.


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