markalex2209 (May 31 2024 at 17:49): markalex2209 (May 31 2024 at 17:49):@HellMap, I need a clarification what exactly you meant by
Latvijas Pasts (also has mail boxes)
in this issue?
Because I initially that that you refer to the usual mail boxes being listed on the same map with parcel lockers.
But yesterday I noticed that a lot of LP parcel locker seem to be equipped with built-in mail boxes:
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And now I'm a bit in doubt if I understood you correctly.
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 17:52):Well, I was not aware that exists
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 17:53):https://pasts.lv/lv/zinas/7875-latvijas-pasts-atklaj-pirmos-pakomatus-ar-vestulu-kastitem This seems very new
markalex2209 (May 31 2024 at 17:54):Ok, I'm glad that at least my initial understanding was aligned with yours)
But now we need to figure out how to tag this stuff(
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 17:59):I think this is world-first.... at least I cannot find anyone else already doing it.
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 17:59):I guess we'll have to invent something, probably letter_mail_in=yes to match parcel_mail_in=yes
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 18:00):Since we cannot tag mail box on parcel locker, as both are amenity and then every consumer would break with 2 values
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 18:00):According to https://www.parcelandpostaltechnologyinternational.com/analysis/analysis-sending-letters-via-parcel-locker-will-it-catch-on.html InPost allows sending letters between parcel lockers, not entierly sure what that means
markalex2209 (May 31 2024 at 18:06):Video seems to indicate that InPost one and "ours" are different. I'd even say that InPost one doesn't require additional tagging, since they still operate in the same way as with packages, it's just that that "package" is very thin.
markalex2209 (May 31 2024 at 18:07):But for LP this seems to be indeed an additional mail box, and then letters are handled as usual.
I like your idea with letter_mail_in=yes. Seems very reasonable and easy to adopt.
Rihards Olups (May 31 2024 at 18:14):Might be consumer-unfriendly, especially if this is unique to Latvia.
Maybe a two node solution?
Not great, but maybe as a stop-gap...
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 18:20):We shouldn't really be setting precedent for breaking the core principle of one feature, one element. And this really should be an OSM proposal so everyoen is aware.
Rihards Olups (May 31 2024 at 18:25):Well, remotely similar is a bank branch with an ATM, where a widely accepted (and best even) practice is to map them separately - we could say that parcel locker is a bigger feature like bank branch, that has a smaller feature like ATM - letterbox ;)
Not something I'd push 100%, but there seems to be some similarity.
markalex2209 (May 31 2024 at 18:32):Rihards Olups said:
Well, remotely similar is a bank branch with an ATM, where a widely accepted (and best even) practice is to map them separately - we could say that parcel locker is a bigger feature like bank branch, that has a smaller feature like ATM - letterbox ;)
Not something I'd push 100%, but there seems to be some similarity.
I disagree with this analogy. ATM is mapped separately to differentiate between tags of ATM and tags of branch. And additionally, to specify locations, if branch size too large.
Here the object is inseparable.
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 18:34):To add, by that logic, we should be placing a mailbox and a parcel locker on every post office.
markalex2209 (May 31 2024 at 18:35):HellMap said:
To add, by that logic, we should be placing a mailbox and a parcel locker on every post office.
Aren't we? I mean mail boxes are usually outside and act differently from post office.
markalex2209 (May 31 2024 at 18:38):But let me maybe try a different approach to this problem. If parcel locker and mailbox were standing at the same place - would we tag them as two?
And if a usual mail box was hanged not on the wall, as it usually is, but on the side of parcel locker - would we then tag it as two?
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 18:41):markalex2209 said:
HellMap said:
To add, by that logic, we should be placing a mailbox and a parcel locker on every post office.
Aren't we? I mean mail boxes are usually outside and act differently from post office.
Yes, but I mean, another mail box node where the counter is - because you can mail in directly with the person. And you can receive packages over the counter. These are obviously not the same objects as the separate mailbox and any PO boxes they have.
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 18:42):I suppose if they did literally hang the mailbox on the side of the parcel locker and they didn't interoperate in any way, I would personally tag it as two nodes
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 18:47):(By the way, I know we inter-replied to each other, so I might have made things more confusing. I was also replying to rich with a contrived example.)
markalex2209 (May 31 2024 at 18:49):HellMap said:
I suppose if they did literally hang the mailbox on the side of the parcel locker and they didn't interoperate in any way, I would personally tag it as two nodes
Well, I don't believe those two interoperate in any way. It's simply an additional locked space with a slit in a door.
I don't see why we would want to map it differently, just because mailbox is slickly hidden under the screen, and not nailed to the sidewall.
markalex2209 (May 31 2024 at 18:52):I initially didn't thought this would result in a tagging scheme discussion. Shouldn't this part of chat be extracted and moved to #general?
HellMap (May 31 2024 at 18:56):Probably... this should be a proposal on OSM technically if we are to introduce a new tag or consider double-tagging.
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