HellMap (Aug 22 2023 at 09:14): HellMap (Aug 22 2023 at 09:14):Izskatās, ka tagad routiem tiek pievienoti arī wikidata/wiki linki, tā kā pavisam īsie gabali arī teorētiski var būt relationi. Atstāju kartētājam komentāru par dažām citām kļūdām https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/140192765
HellMap (Aug 24 2023 at 17:41):Vēl vienu komentu atstāju, jo jauni papildinājumi pirms atbildēts uz iepriekšējo komentāru https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/140322232
markalex (Feb 23 2026 at 18:07):Did you guys reach any kind of conclusion on this?
Should relations like https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/17894809 be kept?
Also, does it really need to be continuous?
HellMap (Feb 23 2026 at 18:14):As the user failed to reply and deleted their account (and had multiple accounts to begin with), then no one should spend time on such user's edits and should feel free to delete any offending routes.
Only thing I'll reiterate about useful routes with "gaps" - if it's not continuous, there is no point to it. It's an unroutable route. At that point, it's better to delete such routes than to leave broken unusable data, especially when those routes add literally no information.
markalex (Feb 23 2026 at 18:30):Oh wow, almost every road in Riga is covered by a relation :melting_face:
I'll be removing those relations in Ventspils (because that's where I stumbled upon them). But probably I'll leave them be everywhere else.
markalex (Feb 23 2026 at 19:17):Do you by any chance know, if the push for relations creation was related to wikipedia somehow?
I think I stumbled upon one more user creating routes.
Maybe(!) because they look better on wiki pages this way:
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HellMap (Feb 23 2026 at 19:21):No idea why they added them. I do remember some wikidata related stuff going on, but I can't really remember, not did the user ever expain anything.
HellMap (Feb 23 2026 at 19:23):And gotta talk to this user, can't create routes like this
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HellMap (Feb 23 2026 at 19:34):The user is definitely doing this in relation to wikipedia/wikidata - they are an editor there. Looks like they are literally going alphabetically on these. I mean, I can see an argument how linking road relations between wikidata/wikipedia and osm would be useful. IF that's what they are doing, not just making these and abandoning.
markalex (Feb 23 2026 at 19:48):HellMap said:
And gotta talk to this user, can't create routes like this
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I asked them under on of the changesets, but only about creating route=road, even though wiki specifically says not to, for usual streets.
Because that's what I understand. And continuity of routes is not among those things yet :slight_smile:
markalex (Feb 23 2026 at 20:44):User responded :tada:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/178951001#c1559781
Rihards Olups (Feb 27 2026 at 21:33):OSM tags are a bit overloaded, so not completely sure all routes should be routable (haha).
As for these, there certainly is some appeal - for example, some things could be tagged only once on a relation (wiki*, etymology, old_name...).
Theoretically there's type=street, but that one is rather messy currently.
HellMap (Feb 27 2026 at 21:41):Yeah, this editor actually is adding wikidata/wikipedia links, so these can be useful. The original editor in question was not adding any extra information, they were making tons of mistakes, leaving gaps, etc.
markalex (Feb 28 2026 at 08:06):I don't think type=street works in wikipedia's plugin
markalex (Feb 28 2026 at 08:09):I asked them to stop and I think they did.
But if we're ok with maintaining route relations, should I write back and revert my request to stop?
HellMap (Feb 28 2026 at 11:19):Yeah, looking at these again with the perspective of "we are linking osm-wikidata-wikipedia and there's no other easy way to do this" I actually think what they are doing is fine and having these relations is okay. It's arguably better to have those tags in relation than every single piece of road. Then again, there will be thousands upon thousands of these. I guess there's only like 3 people who have said anything about this (plus the 2 editors doing it), but if we don't strictly oppose this, then I guess feel free to say so to them. I'll leave a comment too.
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