HellMap (Sep 04 2026 at 15:46): HellMap (Sep 04 2026 at 15:46):Pabeigts kārtējais "not great, not terrible" projekts Rīgā. Visumā jau it kā normāli (vismaz salīdzinot), bet daudz vietās var redzēt, ka projektētājiem pietrūkst domāšanas. Tā teikt, paši ar velo neplāno braukt.
HellMap (Sep 04 2026 at 15:50):
Laikam pats spilgtākais wtf moments bija šitais bluķis. Nezinu, vai tas ir kaut kāds pagaidu variants. Bet kaut kā nevaru iedomātiem, ka mašīnām tādu pieliks. Uz veloceļa gan normāli.
HellMap (Sep 04 2026 at 15:52):
Visas publiskā transporta platformas, kas ir blakus veloceļam ir šitādas pilnībā ar cilvēkiem. Es nesaprotu - vai tad no Brīvības ielas piemēra nav skaidrs, ka tā nevar tasisīt - cilvēki ir pa visu laukumu. Bet nē - jauns projekts un atkal šitādi idiotismi. Es saprastu, ka uz kaut kāda Deglava tilta tiešām vietas nav. Bet šeit?
HellMap (Sep 04 2026 at 15:53):
Tā pat pie Maksimas. Uzkrāsotas zebras, bet cilvēkie iet pāri visur. Jau tā šeit ejot jāskatās uz mašīnām, tad tagad vēl pa visu platumu pāri veloceļam. Nevaru ticēt, ka tas tiešām vienīgais variants kā šo izveidot.
HellMap (Sep 04 2026 at 15:55):
Šitas populārais celiņš, no kura visi iet un brauc kaut kādā veidā palicis bez zebras un bez nekā. CIlvēki iet pāri neskatoties. Ne vienas veloceļa zīmes nav, ne vienas līnijas, pat ne asfalta izmaiņas. Vispār visā garumā tas veloceļš tāds - tikai visu laiku skaties, ka tev uz sāniem kāds izskrien uz kāda no 50 savienojumiem.
HellMap (Sep 04 2026 at 15:57):
Kā piemērs galīgi tizlām trajektorijām šitais pāreju laukums. Vai tiešām nevarēja nedaudz pabīdīt celiņus, lai tie nav pa diogonālēm un izveidot normālas īsas pārejas, nevis šito "katrs, kur grib".
HellMap (Sep 04 2026 at 15:58):
Un pārejas arī daudz kur taisītas vispār bez nekādas sajēgas par realitāti. Piemēram, šeit cilvēki gaida luksoforu uz veloceļa. Kā var atstāt pus metru uzgaidāmo laukumu šitā? Tad novirzīt veloceļu otrā pusē, un arī uz platformu varēs pa taisno. Bet nē, veloceļam jālēkā turp šurp.
HellMap (Sep 04 2026 at 16:00):
Arī gandrīz visām izbrauktuvēm uztaisīts tā, lai nevar mašīna nostāties nenobloķējot. Vietas te ir līdz kokiem cik vajag - bet nē, uzbūvēts tieši tā, lai mašinai ne pirms, ne pēc vieta.
HellMap (Sep 04 2026 at 16:01):
Un visos krustojumos signāli nav pilnīgi nekādi noregulēti. Viss kā bija mašīnām maksimāli, tā palika. Visas mašīnas brauc reizē ar velo un cilvēkiem. Un te visur ir pa 2 joslām nogriešanās tieši pāri trajektorijām viens otram.
markalex (Sep 06 2026 at 11:18):HellMap said:
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Laikam pats spilgtākais wtf moments bija šitais bluķis. Nezinu, vai tas ir kaut kāds pagaidu variants. Bet kaut kā nevaru iedomātiem, ka mašīnām tādu pieliks. Uz veloceļa gan normāli.
Same place after storm
(source here)
Also very curious to see if it will end up temporary. Hope so, but hopes are low.
Same construction near https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/669397068 seems to be a permanent fixture by now for two years, I think.
HellMap (Sep 06 2026 at 11:27):Mmm, I imagined it's something like that. But of course it's placed on the cycleway. Out of all locations, the one where there is the most dangerous traffic. In one of the most narrow poorly-visible locations next to a transit platform!
I mean, honestly, why didn't they just move the damn platform south to begin with. Or just have the cycleway go around this whole location along west roads - no one wants to cycle past this place anyway.
markalex (Sep 06 2026 at 11:43):It's placed on the cycleway, because it's the only place they could put it, without dismantling bench or cutting tree the fell. And also because nobody cared to think.
Re alt route - I suspect either lack of creative thinking, or some form of compromise.
Maybe they wanted to renew sidewalks where platform is + replace ped crossing over nicgales, and it was easier to push through as a single project.
Or maybe, strategy for bicycle network Riga 2030 had path here (because it was drawn in paint without actual forethought) and changing it in project was too much to actually do :man_shrugging:
HellMap (Sep 06 2026 at 11:54):Well, yeah, every step of the way it's blatant incompetency. And it says something that this is actually one of the best projects.
markalex (Sep 08 2026 at 10:02):We were discussing this "missing detour" and I think I found one more explanation:
notice a whole mess of ownership of land around that road. City, then college, then private ownership, then again city (but sidewalk - college), and finally - commercial ownership.
HellMap (Sep 08 2026 at 10:21):The same is true for Maxima and around though.
HellMap (Sep 08 2026 at 10:22):Bluntly put, it's all bureaucratic bull:poop:
markalex (Sep 08 2026 at 11:01):I don't know what orange line on kadastr mean, but territory of parcel along the road there assigned to city
markalex (Sep 08 2026 at 11:03):And the same is probably a reason why they didn't extent cycleway to the field in front of Kepka, even though it seemed quite obvious and natural thing to do.
HellMap (Sep 08 2026 at 11:04):Orange is a "part of parcel" if I'm not mistaken
HellMap (Sep 08 2026 at 11:08):Well, yeah, I understand that there are land ownership and such things here and they are routing this through municipality owned stuff unless they can't. But that's just a "well, can't do anything about this, let's build a shitty solution" attitude. There are legal processes to adjust parcels, have servitude locations, etc. It's just that no one at any point cares enough to say "hold on, this actually sucks".
markalex (Sep 08 2026 at 11:20):Yeah, I'm not saying they couldn't do it.
Just that there is another potential explanation/cause.
Changes in land ownership are painfully slow, forced ones even more so.
Don't know how "servitude locations" work in Latvia, but I doubt everything roses there. Because almost everywhere it seems to be a struggle.
HellMap (Sep 08 2026 at 11:25):I'm not saying there isn't an explanation. I'm saying that the reason the end result sucks is because a whole bunch of people went "aww, it's too difficult" instead of doing things properly. Now we are stuck with these crap solutions everywhere. And there is no recourse to fix any of it.
HellMap (Sep 08 2026 at 11:27):The whole thing is based on a premise of "how do we fit this into here using only our land and with minimal changes" instead of "how do we make the best solution". There isn't even a compromise. It's always the former.
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